Hi, I think I read somewhere that one of the Eureka Prizes (apparently Australia's most prestigious annual science prizes) is given every year to scientists who develop ways of testing, research & development that's not based on animals.
I have to use the sensitive skin products and I don't think they are tested on animals, but to be honest its not something that I checked when I bought them last.
I have to use the sensitive skin products and I don't think they are tested on animals, but to be honest its not something that I checked when I bought them last.
Hi,
Firstly, Kaz and Ruru, my comments werent intended to offend you quite the opposite actually, I was actually quite surprised in general about the extent of consumers understanding re: animal testing. My comment was that you were misinformed and I do still stand by that. My comment about attitudes being advanced here wasnt stated as a result of your posts but merely due to the overwhelming facts present such as well the natural, organic, ethical markets are booming here in all sectors and consumers are calling for boycotts of certain products if they test on animals, or damage the environment these are the key trends and it has been reported widely that consumers here are buying through their ethics more than ever, in fact just today top luxury brands by LVMH, Loreal and Hermes just got named and shamed for being unethical and they have all released statements amid the controversy. Also all major magazines such as Vogue, Marie Claire Harpers etc here have an ethical section in their magazines to just talk about ethical living because the demand is so high. Australia so far seems to be far, far behind so this is why I posted in the first place to get opinions. So thank you I am not trying to change your minds everyone is entitled to their own opinions just wanted you to consider all the facts before settling on a decision.
Without getting into a rant about ethics etc, heres some background, I developed my company 11 years ago while still in Australia. I have always had an affinity with super high end brands etc but ethically I never felt comfortable after purchasing these wonderful items, knowing I paid $7,000 for a beautiful handbag which was probably made by a 5 year old in South Asia somehow took that special factor away for me. I felt I must share some of that responsibility, I may not have made it but I purchased it making me a part of this cycle.
I realised most of the worlds problems could be minimised, if we all stopped for a minute to think about where these items came from etc. so rather than contribute to the problems I started working on a solution.
So the at age of 18 I started my company, I now have a fashion, cosmetic and lifestyle enterprise (global) which makes products which are 100% ethical but for the super high end, youre probably using some of them without knowing that was the trick to not market them as ethical so people would buy them because they are exclusive, beautiful etc.
I didnt name my brand only because I did not want you to see as some kind of promotion I really am interested in how Australias views have changed or in this case not changed since I left. I have been in the UK for 7 years now.
Our products are the most ethical luxury brands you could buy we are kind to people, planet and animals.
Re: animal testing any google search will bring up alternatives to animal testing. In 2009, a total EU wide ban will come into effect as animal tests are not conclusive and its cruel.
As for medicines that is not part of this debate, I personally would like to see and end to all animal testing but that is my opinion, I see a life as a life, not judging, each to their ownright? This debate I raised here is about the unnecessary testing of cosmetics, we arent going to die tomorrow just because we dont have the latest anti ageing face cream so why torture these poor little animals for our pleasure especially when there are alternatives out there.
And to answer the question re: my products, we control our entire supply chain so I know exactly whats in it. We have scientists that do stability testing and we test finished products on human volunteers which is the most effective method as its tested on the skin it will be used on. By law, only new ingredients need to be tested, so we use ingredients predating 1976 as thats when the EU brought in laws to regulate cosmetic ingredients and it was a requirement of this law to run toxicity tests. So we use ingredients predating this. Those ingredients may have been tested previously or may not have been but we dont use any new ingredients on principle, so we feel we are doing our part. A small part but one that has saved lives.
Firstly, Kaz and Ruru, my comments werent intended to offend you quite the opposite actually, I was actually quite surprised in general about the extent of consumers understanding re: animal testing. My comment was that you were misinformed and I do still stand by that. My comment about attitudes being advanced here wasnt stated as a result of your posts but merely due to the overwhelming facts present such as well the natural, organic, ethical markets are booming here in all sectors and consumers are calling for boycotts of certain products if they test on animals, or damage the environment these are the key trends and it has been reported widely that consumers here are buying through their ethics more than ever, in fact just today top luxury brands by LVMH, Loreal and Hermes just got named and shamed for being unethical and they have all released statements amid the controversy. Also all major magazines such as Vogue, Marie Claire Harpers etc here have an ethical section in their magazines to just talk about ethical living because the demand is so high. Australia so far seems to be far, far behind so this is why I posted in the first place to get opinions. So thank you I am not trying to change your minds everyone is entitled to their own opinions just wanted you to consider all the facts before settling on a decision.
Without getting into a rant about ethics etc, heres some background, I developed my company 11 years ago while still in Australia. I have always had an affinity with super high end brands etc but ethically I never felt comfortable after purchasing these wonderful items, knowing I paid $7,000 for a beautiful handbag which was probably made by a 5 year old in South Asia somehow took that special factor away for me. I felt I must share some of that responsibility, I may not have made it but I purchased it making me a part of this cycle.
I realised most of the worlds problems could be minimised, if we all stopped for a minute to think about where these items came from etc. so rather than contribute to the problems I started working on a solution.
So the at age of 18 I started my company, I now have a fashion, cosmetic and lifestyle enterprise (global) which makes products which are 100% ethical but for the super high end, youre probably using some of them without knowing that was the trick to not market them as ethical so people would buy them because they are exclusive, beautiful etc.
I didnt name my brand only because I did not want you to see as some kind of promotion I really am interested in how Australias views have changed or in this case not changed since I left. I have been in the UK for 7 years now.
Our products are the most ethical luxury brands you could buy we are kind to people, planet and animals.
Re: animal testing any google search will bring up alternatives to animal testing. In 2009, a total EU wide ban will come into effect as animal tests are not conclusive and its cruel.
As for medicines that is not part of this debate, I personally would like to see and end to all animal testing but that is my opinion, I see a life as a life, not judging, each to their ownright? This debate I raised here is about the unnecessary testing of cosmetics, we arent going to die tomorrow just because we dont have the latest anti ageing face cream so why torture these poor little animals for our pleasure especially when there are alternatives out there.
And to answer the question re: my products, we control our entire supply chain so I know exactly whats in it. We have scientists that do stability testing and we test finished products on human volunteers which is the most effective method as its tested on the skin it will be used on. By law, only new ingredients need to be tested, so we use ingredients predating 1976 as thats when the EU brought in laws to regulate cosmetic ingredients and it was a requirement of this law to run toxicity tests. So we use ingredients predating this. Those ingredients may have been tested previously or may not have been but we dont use any new ingredients on principle, so we feel we are doing our part. A small part but one that has saved lives.
to the ruru person
i totally disagree.
who on this earth to know that if a product doesnt react with a rabbit it wont affect us.
i try really hard not to use products tested on animals.
i have to do a speech in english and i decided i would do it on cosmetic testing.
ive been called a hippie and shit buti dont care.
im also a veggie and im really quite proud.
and im reaaaaalllly happy tht its gonna be banned in 2009
why they cant do it now is beyond me.
thousands of animals are killed until its banned
i totally disagree.
who on this earth to know that if a product doesnt react with a rabbit it wont affect us.
i try really hard not to use products tested on animals.
i have to do a speech in english and i decided i would do it on cosmetic testing.
ive been called a hippie and shit buti dont care.
im also a veggie and im really quite proud.
and im reaaaaalllly happy tht its gonna be banned in 2009
why they cant do it now is beyond me.
thousands of animals are killed until its banned
I am totally against testing on animals and as a result choose my products accordingly. I try to keep informed on what companies test and refuse to support their horrible cruelty to these poor innocent animals.
I don't use cosmetic products that have been tested on animals or that use animal ingredients (except for beeswax)
I cannot believe the lack of compassion.
I cannot believe the lack of compassion.
I am all for the welfare of animals and i am totally against Animal Testing or any form of animal cruelty for that matter.
Check out www.peta.org to find out which companies/brands DO and DO NOT test on animals.
I hope that this will help make a difference and sway others towards choosing companies that don't hurt our innocent furry friends :)
Check out www.peta.org to find out which companies/brands DO and DO NOT test on animals.
I hope that this will help make a difference and sway others towards choosing companies that don't hurt our innocent furry friends :)
Wow, haven't been back for 2 years and amazed this thread is still active.
To those who say that the only way to test products is on animals -- there are two things (1) as sian said, just because a product doesn't react to a rabbit or other animal doesn't mean it won't react with humans, (2) there are many other ways to test products, ways that don't involve killing animals in the process. I am doing a national history day project (for school) on Animal Rights laws and legislation around the world (I live in the US) and it has really showed the extent to which companies test on animals to 'get the seal of approval' and avoid lawsuits. I realize that everyone is entitled to their opinion, but i feel to have an opinion you must be fully informed. I hope you realize that there is a lot more going on that you don't realize. You can't blame the testing on making sure everything is safe because there are many products out there that don't test on animals and you can continue to buy whatever you want but just know what millions of animals have died to give you those products.
You should also keep in mind that these animals are not using the products in the same way you do, they have them forced into many places (stomach, hole in throat, under skin, vein, lining of abdomen, mixed into food, inhaled (gas mask), introduced into eyes, rectum or vagina.) There are reasons they tell you not to swallow many products.
I mentioned earlier that just because a rabbit is irritated by a product doesn't mean humans will be (yes, I realize I switched the irritated mammal). Also, rests can't be translated from a mouse to a rat, let alone to a human.
There are many popular (at least in the US) brands that test on animals that fail to mention the cruelty they endure. (Avon, Johnson and Johnson, Colgate, Estee Lauder etc.)
There are many tests animals can endure: eye irritancy tests and lethal dose tests. These tests can last from about 7 to 18 days. They are observed by reactions including but not limited to convulsions, labored breathing, diarrhea, constipation, emaciation, skin eruptions, abnormal posture, and bleeding from eyes nose or mouth.
One of the only reasons companies use animal testing is to avoid lawsuits, cheaper methods that don't involve animal testing have even been developed yet companies still test on animals.
Even if the animal survives the test, it is highly likely that it will be killed to examine its innards.
I would also like to points out -- why is the life of a rat or rabbit (or any other testing animals) any less valueable than a human life? -- humans are the ones that are destroying the planet and the atmosphere for all the other animals on the earth...
I hope this helps you make a more informed opinion
let me know if you want to know where I have found my information, I would be happy to tell you :D
You should also keep in mind that these animals are not using the products in the same way you do, they have them forced into many places (stomach, hole in throat, under skin, vein, lining of abdomen, mixed into food, inhaled (gas mask), introduced into eyes, rectum or vagina.) There are reasons they tell you not to swallow many products.
I mentioned earlier that just because a rabbit is irritated by a product doesn't mean humans will be (yes, I realize I switched the irritated mammal). Also, rests can't be translated from a mouse to a rat, let alone to a human.
There are many popular (at least in the US) brands that test on animals that fail to mention the cruelty they endure. (Avon, Johnson and Johnson, Colgate, Estee Lauder etc.)
There are many tests animals can endure: eye irritancy tests and lethal dose tests. These tests can last from about 7 to 18 days. They are observed by reactions including but not limited to convulsions, labored breathing, diarrhea, constipation, emaciation, skin eruptions, abnormal posture, and bleeding from eyes nose or mouth.
One of the only reasons companies use animal testing is to avoid lawsuits, cheaper methods that don't involve animal testing have even been developed yet companies still test on animals.
Even if the animal survives the test, it is highly likely that it will be killed to examine its innards.
I would also like to points out -- why is the life of a rat or rabbit (or any other testing animals) any less valueable than a human life? -- humans are the ones that are destroying the planet and the atmosphere for all the other animals on the earth...
I hope this helps you make a more informed opinion
let me know if you want to know where I have found my information, I would be happy to tell you :D
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